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  • 1.  AAV shedding

    Posted 05-23-2023 10:34

    Hi colleagues,
    I am relatively new to supporting gene therapy and when reading about AAV shedding I pictured it as a biomarker for safety, even if it uses the same PCR method as for PK.  Am I incorrect? Is it a PK assessment? Are you collecting PK data in other tissues?  The reason I am asking is because I want to ensure clear roles and responsibilities between the bioanalytical (PK and immunogenicity) and the Translational Leads (biomarkers).  How is your company doing it?



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    Johanna Mora Ph.D.
    Bristol-Myers Squibb
    Princeton NJ
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  • 2.  RE: AAV shedding

    Posted 05-24-2023 10:33

    Tagging @Amanda Hays and @Russell Soon @Justin Smith to add some insights here. 



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    Swarna Suba Ramaswamy
    Lead Research Scientist
    B2S Life Sciences
    Indianapolis, IN
    [email protected]

    Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer.
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  • 3.  RE: AAV shedding

    Posted 05-24-2023 12:46

    Hi Johanna,

    I agree with Johannes comment below. In my opinion, vector shedding is a bioanalytical assessment that is used to understand the potential for transmission of the vector product in excreta/secreta from the treated patient to the environment and untreated individuals. Vector shedding into biofluids can be a result of biodistribution into the biofluid but the results are used to understand the shedding profile and transmission risk. The same biofluids can be assessed for purposes of biodistribution of AAV vector but in this instance the data is used for that purpose, to understand the distribution profile into tissues and biofluids. Both have different context of use and are dependent on how the data will be used. I typically think of biodistribution and shedding as different assays with different purposes. 

    For us we include PCR based shedding and biodistribution assays within our molecular groups. I am hoping @Justin Smith or @Russell Soon can comment on how it is handled within groups at Pharma companies.



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    Amanda Hays Ph.D.
    Scientific Officer
    BioAgilytix
    Olathe KS
    [email protected]

    Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer.
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  • 4.  RE: AAV shedding

    Posted 05-24-2023 10:57

    Hi Johanna,

    You are raising a very good point here. While the assay reagents can be the same as the ones used for other assays for the AAV vector (such as Biodistribution or Identification Assay) the main aim of the shedding assay is environmental protection. In my experience shedding data is not used as a PK endpoint, which is usually defined as the concentration or activity time-profile of the expressed therapeutic protein. 

    Shedding in AAV gene therapies has a unique context of use. The shedding results describe how the vector product is excreted or released from the patient's body, which raises the possibility of transmission from treated to untreated individuals (e.g., close contacts and health care professionals). The FDA's industry guidance can be found here: "Design and Analysis of Shedding Studies for Virus or Bacteria-Based Gene Therapy and Oncolytic Products"; 2015; https://www.fda.gov/media/89036/download.  

    In the FDA guidance it says that they don't expect shedding assays to be validated, instead the assays should be qualified to meet minimal performance capabilities and be suitable for the intended purpose. In reality, the method requires full validation because you need a robust and reliable method due to the impact of the sample collection on the volunteers during the trial. The sampling often involves weekly collection of invasive samples of blood, faeces, semen, urine and saliva, which are collected at the trial site. This also means that the turnaround time at the lab has to be fast because after 3 consecutive results below the LOD the sample collection should stop and you don't want to collect invasive patient samples for longer than necessary.

    For the shedding assay the sensitivity of the assay, the limit of detection (LOD) and the turnaround time are the key parameter which gives this assay a unique set of operational challenges.

    I hope this answer is helpful and I'd be happy to share more details and best practice on how we do it at Celerion. 

    Best wishes



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    Johannes Stanta
    Global Director Molecular and Cell Biology
    Celerion
    Lincoln NE
    [email protected]

    Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer.
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  • 5.  RE: AAV shedding

    Posted 05-25-2023 11:55

    Hi Johannes, 
    Your statements around potential consequences of 3 consecutive <LOD results, are very useful. Thanks for bringing it up, I would look further into it.



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    Johanna Mora Ph.D.
    Bristol-Myers Squibb
    Princeton NJ
    [email protected]
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  • 6.  RE: AAV shedding

    Posted 05-24-2023 13:32

    Hi Johanna,
    That is correct.  VS data is used to inform on safety aspects, not PK.
    However, since the same method (PCR) is used both for bio-distribution (PK) and vector shedding, it makes practical sense for us to keep it all in one team.  I hope this helped.  
    Thanks,
    Uma.



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    Uma Kavita
    Translational Immunology and Bioanalysis Leader
    Spark Therapeutics
    Philadelphia PA
    [email protected]

    Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer.
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  • 7.  RE: AAV shedding

    Posted 05-25-2023 08:04

    With the comments that vector shedding is a safety measure, I have seen protocols that specify that the patients must maintain prophylactic measures to prevent pregnancy until the levels of the gene therapy are non-measurable in semen. Past interpretation by a physician reviewer considered this a medical decision and required for US patients the samples be tested under CLIA. I'm not sure how the EU's regulations would interpret it. What are other's experience? 



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    Mark Arnold Ph.D., FAAPS
    Westampton, NJ
    [email protected]
    Bioanalytical Solution Integration
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markearnoldphd/
    Website & Blog: Bioanalysis & Biomarkers <bioanalysisandbiomarkers.blogspot.com>
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